. >> i think governors look at things like this through a different prism than we do sitting in new york and washington and certainly the federal government. as a former lieutenant governor, i understand what that is like and how that can be perceived outside of your state. but having said that, i still think that on the heels of everything we gone through with the messaging of the party overall, the lack of support we have right now with the hispanic community as many others are coming to the table to say, like the governor of texas, our friend rick perry, are saying look, we need to have a different conversation. this is not the best way to lead off that conversation. given everything else that may be factual in arizona, nationally it's not playing the way you would want as a national party because again, it -- >> that's an underestimate. >> and because it's continuing a narrative about the insensitivity of the party to those individuals who have come to this country through no means or fault of their own by their parents or whatever and you're sort of penalizing them. when things are